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on this episode of skeptico

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a deep deep dive

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into consciousness

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once you experience it you can't go back

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you suddenly you know that reality is

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unbelievably bizarre and the

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dimensionality of consciousness is going

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to move us into

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advancing who we are as humans but we

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await the paradigm shift which is

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critical in terms of our understanding

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the science of the subjective

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integrating it with the science of the

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physical in order to better understand

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consciousness reality

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and maybe a little bit more about what

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life and realities is all about

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that's today's guest dr bob davis

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talking about his new movie the

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consciousness connection

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hold on tight a lot of level three

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inside baseball to follow

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex accaris

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and today we welcome dr bob davis back

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to skeptico

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you know i just went and re-listened to

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episode 419 when bob was on

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he was talking about his book unseen

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and i was like oh my gosh how have i

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dropped the ball how have i not had this

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guy on since

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bob is great you'll hear that again here

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but go back and list that other

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interview i thought it was just a

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phenomenal interview that he gave uh

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he's incredibly smart he is a real

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top-notch scientist like highly regarded

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in his field phd ohio state multiple nih

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grants dozens and dozens of

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papers and presentations at

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top universities harvard cambridge all

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that stuff i mean he is the real deal as

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a scientist in his field and i guess the

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reason that i emphasize that so much

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is because you're not going to believe

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the conversation we're about to have

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this is a guy who should be

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super mainstream keep it down the middle

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of the road do what i'm told kind of

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thing and he's not doing that at all

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he's talking about

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his contact experience that he had that

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led to his first book the ufo phenomenon

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an experience i should i should mention

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this i mentioned this in the previous

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you know there's not a lot of people

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some a lot of people say i saw a ufo

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there's not a lot of people that say i

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had this vivid very

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close encounter with the ufo with my

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wife there we both saw it for five to

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add to that he's going to talk about

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near-death experience because he had a

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near-death experience believe it or not

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it led to his second book life after

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death and then he kind of tied all that

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one that i said we talked about in 417

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unseen forces

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a kundalini experience he had and he

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last interview but what bob has done

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there is given us a different way

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of really thinking about a lot of these

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different experiences and why are they

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peak experiences why are they so

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transformational so go back listen to

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that read that book there's a lot lot to

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be getting there but there's just so

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much to talk about today and he has a

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new film and we want to help him bring

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that film into reality is of course

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bob it's fantastic having you back here

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thanks so much for joining me

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hey i can't i can't follow up on that

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thank you so much alex i i i as i

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mentioned earlier i i've listened to you

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for numerous years and and you're at the

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top of my list so uh it's a it's an

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honor to be with you and and let's rock

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and roll we'll have we'll have a lot of

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great thank you i think you know

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natural place to start is a movie

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so you're now uh working on a movie

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tell us about it tell us how it came to

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i'll pull up here so people can see

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skeptico many are just super top-notch

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uh dean braden tom campbell the list

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after i wrote my book guns reinforces

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the integration science reality i knew i

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felt a strong urge to share what i

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was located close to where i live dave

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of the nimitz encounters fame he did

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treated almost six million hits already

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but he read my book he resonated and now

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a year after that we have established

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wonderful relations with many people who

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near-death experience the list goes on

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so-called peak experience something that

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maslow talked about you know a century

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are transcendent and change us in

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disciplines that are poorly understood

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consciousness connection at website is

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and if you resonate with what i'm

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talking about what we'll be talking

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typical producer i was a scientist

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brain takes over over after a few

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extraordinary experiences as you know

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determination have a type of peak

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just to to put it in writing and it was

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i did the ufo phenomenon should i

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long discussions and all this stuff

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for you but the other thing that that

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you kind of put your finger on that i

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think is so interesting and the

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connection you make in the book unseen

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forces your third book right now we just

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talked about your first book was

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this idea that

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the peak experience in and of itself is

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tricky and hard to hold on to and hard

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to identify in so many ways and you

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almost gave a throwaway line that the

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coffee tasted different the next morning

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that might be part of the

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quote-unquote peak experience you know i

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interviewed kevin day who

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is the guy who turned me on to dave

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beatty's

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movie on the nimitz and kevin day is in

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that movie cause kevin was the guy who

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was on board the ship was directing

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all the all the pilots that went and saw

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the tic tacs right

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and kevin's story and i know you've

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heard this but eventually he's so

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curious as to what what's going on he

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goes up and he looks through the big

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glass on the ship and he sights

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sees the ufos

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and

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it changes for him he has a peak

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experience even though he doesn't

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realize he has a peak experience he

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comes back he has depression and he has

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all this other stuff so

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what you're putting your finger on

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with this peak experience thing

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is so tricky and that's what i think you

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do such a masterful job of throughout

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this work throughout this thread that

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you're creating is giving us permission

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to think about these experiences

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differently and ask different questions

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what do you think about that as it

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relates to that cup of coffee in sedona

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[Laughter]

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you know

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exactly it's a it's an ego transcending

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moment you you're not the center of the

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universe for some reason

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it's ineffable but it alters your your

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viewpoints and belief systems in

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dramatic ways on more than just your

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next day's morning coffee indeed

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we know the statistics and people are

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have spiritual emergencies because of

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this you know these kind of

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transformational episodes

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that can be quite unpleasant initially

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and they come in all shapes and sizes

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that you talk about with many people on

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your shows we talk the same language

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indeed with others

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but the core feature it seems is that

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self-transcendence it gets to the aspect

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of consciousness of course that elusive

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concept like what is time what is

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consciousness which is discipline

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specific but but

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people have always had these kinds of

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experiences

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religious texts folklore have dramatized

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this in varying ways metaphorically

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speaking but also in art and other other

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ways that i know are debatable a little

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controversial but it's hard not to it's

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hard to ignore

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there seems to be

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an aspect of awareness

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or the subjective experience the essence

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of it that can't be portrayed in a

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mathematical formula you know that's

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that's newtonian physics and quantum

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processes

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to to real reality in other words is is

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only true

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based on math and that kind of physical

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material observation of course we don't

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integrate the subjective the peak

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experience that we're talking about and

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millions have it

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it's beyond a

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it's a spiritual transformative whatever

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you want to call it we don't have the

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proper terms of course and consciousness

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is not

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a proper term either because if people

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don't know how to define it uh to begin

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with

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um

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it's all interrelated to some extent but

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this you know the question is what is

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that subjective essence the thing is

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like

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you know there's many levels of

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consciousness that that i'm trying to

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portray in terms of my book

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um unseen forces the integration of

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science reality and you the subjective

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which lacks

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tremendously in all these equations and

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the subjective is part of the uap like

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you're talking about kevin day

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i've talked briefly with him i know what

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you mean

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i mean it goes deep this phenomena and

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it's not new it obviously existed

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forever how could it be new

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why would it be why would it be new when

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did it start 1959

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you know

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roswell

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it's always been here question is what

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is it

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i'm writing an article right now i know

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we're going all over the place and i do

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apologize but it's all interrelated and

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it is confusing but you can't help but

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look forward try to integrate the pieces

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because i love chess

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and my left brain now lightened up a

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little with my right brain i had i

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didn't have a kevin day thing flying in

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a in a you know fighter as a fighter

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pilot and seeing this thing go from from

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low space altitude to 80 000 feet down

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down to 60 and then 50 feet in 0.7

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seconds estimated g-forces and 5 000

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you know kevin knew that's

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the computational physicist comes up

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with over 60 000 miles per hour based on

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all the

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technical information that he could

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gather based on that tic tac so

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what is what the heck is that all about

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no you can't really rule out

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uh obviously advanced technology of

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course you can't entirely and you can go

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there too

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you can go to psychops for some of this

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stuff you can go all over the place

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and you can go to why should i listen to

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anybody you know under the that nearly

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the develops a department under the dod

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is that's assigned the task to figure

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out what the heck uap is

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you know i mean history dictates you

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know listen to them but don't listen to

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them don't interpret everything

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literally nor should we do so in the

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same manner with with spokes people

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associated with the uap which of course

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is real

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how can they i mean it took how many

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years for them to say it you know which

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i do

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applaud right

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i can't look at it seriously

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we it's so much disinformation we know

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the story

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it's a pseudoscience at best there are

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attempts to make it a science

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hold on

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one of the things you just said there

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is something that you i was going to say

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something that you play with but that's

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not a good term it's more something that

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you struggle with it's more like we're

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watching bob's left brain switch over

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and then right brain switch over we're

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watching bob go through the ego

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destruction ego disillusionment

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ego dissolving and then we're seeing bob

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reconstruct the ego and say how do in

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the ego and i don't mean in an

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egotistical way i mean

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i became a tree hugger alex but there's

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also just science is ego right science

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is i can measure i can make a difference

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i can do and and then so this gets into

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the real really deep stuff with regard

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to consciousness with regard to uap ufo

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et you know it gets into the evil you

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know is this demonic what what even what

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would that even mean and then are we

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saying

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that the ego dissolution

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kind of suggests that all that is yet

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another drama that we don't necessarily

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have to play and that we somehow

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transcend that and that comes through

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again so

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i feel you bro i feel the complexity i

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applaud you for not

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backing off not trying to you know give

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us simple answers everything is nuanced

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everything is complicated everything is

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interconnected and the but the

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fundamental question that you ask in

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unseen force is the third book is

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the question about reality and what are

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we looking at where do we stand relative

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to reality do you want to pick up that

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thread because i think that's

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fundamental to this

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personally i think there's different

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kinds of reality it intertwines i

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consider it consciousness we call it

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reality i'm not entirely sure but but

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look

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everything is conscious i do believe

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it's it's related to information

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exchange i'm in that camp

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that's

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minor there's a lot more than just

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saying that you bang your head on a

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table you're getting information the

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table's telling you don't do it again

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that's the point everything is conscious

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it's giving you information one way or

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another let's cut to the chase and they

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even try to quantify it using a ph i you

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know

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quantification system

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um

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there's different types of consciousness

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and exists as a subatomic level

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we can get into detail about that with

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the observer effect of the wave the wave

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particle duality issue and and how the

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subjective mental intention observation

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all that disrupts it

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influences it the point is reality

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consciousness

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is it's physical

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it is it's mathematically derived on

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paper

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brilliant minds

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bomb einstein they describe math you

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know mathematical equations that

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describe the universe but where are they

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coming from

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they're brilliant minds

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but they're not dancers singers and you

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know

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they're mathematicians theoretical

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physicists so you're going to get an

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answer that like time doesn't it's an

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illusion it is

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it is

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information exchange exists at the

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cosmological level it does

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and the question is does that interact

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with the body

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a consciousness component that some

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people theoretically speaking of course

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think it may be the case you know the

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torsion energy you could even go there

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the point is

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where's the interconnection between

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cosmic consciousness that exists on

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paper

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time is is an illusion and that is a

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physical reality but it's we forget

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about the subjective aspect of reality

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and consciousness the way the way you

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put it my memories are the past it

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influences his presence

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right

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a lot of pain time goes slow i'm having

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a great time time goes fast we don't

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acknowledge the subjective aspect

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bob the way you put it in the book and

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i'm struggling to remember exactly

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it was are we in reality or are we on

566
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:35,919
the other side of reality you know and

567
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,240
it gets into this kind of creating

568
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,559
consciousness i also think of a

569
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,480
dr bernardo castro i think does an

570
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:45,120
excellent job and says we are in

571
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:47,919
consciousness it's not that we are you

572
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,240
know so and i think i again i wish i

573
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:52,400
could recall exactly the phrase that you

574
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:53,520
use

575
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:56,480
but what i took out of that is this idea

576
00:22:02,870 --> 00:21:59,120
that maybe our vantage point when we

577
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,880
talk about reality is significantly

578
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,440
different than what we ordinarily assume

579
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:09,350
and that has to do with this whole

580
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:11,840
dissolution of the ego that because what

581
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:13,840
i hear is this not contradiction but

582
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,000
when the ego dissolves

583
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:17,840
all that other stuff just kind of goes

584
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:20,640
well i get it yeah then this exactly

585
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,760
then then the subjective reality or the

586
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,919
subjective aspect of consciousness which

587
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,919
is different than the physical or it can

588
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:29,520
be it can be integrated with the

589
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:31,840
physical something is causing or

590
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:33,039
triggering

591
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:35,440
that subjective change in your reality

592
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,039
in other words my personal belief

593
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,720
systems are altered we hear this all the

594
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,280
time from people who have various pe

595
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:43,440
peak experiences near death again not a

596
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,320
body

597
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:46,559
uh shamanic journeys even even

598
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,039
psychedelic drugs can may very well

599
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:51,679
induce this ego dissolution they all

600
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,799
seem to cause that self-transcendence

601
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,120
sparked by an ego dissolution you know

602
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,720
and you go into the literature of ego

603
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:01,039
dissolution obviously that's that's the

604
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,880
subjective i hear you you're exactly

605
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:04,080
right on

606
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,919
um

607
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:07,600
but it's integrated obviously with the

608
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,720
physical

609
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,120
and then because we have a brain and we

610
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,679
have a a reducing valve which is the

611
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,159
brain so it takes that information

612
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,440
limited in nature filters considerably

613
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,600
by each of our sensory modalities of

614
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:23,760
course we only see a piece of the

615
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,720
physical true reality in a sense the

616
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:29,280
body provides us with an aspect of an

617
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,640
illusion

618
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:32,480
in a sense because we're just seeing

619
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,280
it's like the web teles telescope you

620
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,360
know the pictures they show it like they

621
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,360
say it's like holding a piece of rice up

622
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,520
you know it's only a piece

623
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,600
there's so much more to reality well the

624
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,520
same here too in a sense

625
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:47,440
i gotta stop you there because i thought

626
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:49,840
that was such a brilliant point when i

627
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,240
ran across it and again it's going to be

628
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:53,919
a throwaway moment

629
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,559
if we don't talk about it but the light

630
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,720
bulb went off for me

631
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:00,799
when you said what you just said

632
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:03,840
if the brain is this reduction valve

633
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,880
which we hear and it's way overused

634
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:08,720
then that is also

635
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,000
designed by this overall subjective

636
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,080
experience it isn't just creating the

637
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,120
subjective experience it is in some way

638
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,760
connected to that subjective experience

639
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,240
in a way that we can't totally pull

640
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,159
apart either and that's the point you

641
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,640
were making that you go oh my gosh this

642
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:29,279
is every time i want to pin it down i

643
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,159
have to kind of again pull myself back

644
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:34,400
out of it right do you want to elaborate

645
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,600
yeah

646
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,200
exactly exactly

647
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,200
to me the brain impedes our ability to

648
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,600
see true true reality

649
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:44,000
yeah without question the next level of

650
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:45,200
that is

651
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,640
why is the brain impeding

652
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:51,279
or because impeding is just two sides of

653
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,880
the same coin impeding or opening why is

654
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:57,200
it doing it this way why is it doing it

655
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,080
that way what dance is it doing with

656
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:02,880
consciousness in order for us to create

657
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,679
these kind of experiences what dance is

658
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,520
it doing with

659
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:08,960
an octopus

660
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,600
versus a dog versus the rest of that

661
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,760
that's where you sent me with

662
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:15,600
instead of just thinking this very

663
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:18,720
simplistic oh it's a valve this and that

664
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,000
it's like no it is somehow

665
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:24,240
dancing this dance with us that's

666
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,440
creating our questioning and our view of

667
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,039
it do you get what i mean because i got

668
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:32,080
it from you i'm not making this stuff up

669
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:35,200
the point is we're we're slaves to it

670
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,320
and there may very well be ways in which

671
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,320
the brain can be taught

672
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:43,039
or experience something

673
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,400
that

674
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,720
integrates with the essence of who we

675
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,440
are we are the brain we're symbiotic

676
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,600
with the brain we need the brain let's

677
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:53,440
love the brain let's eat right let's

678
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,159
keep the body fit all that sort of stuff

679
00:26:03,269 --> 00:25:57,840
so

680
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,279
separates all species yeah as for those

681
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:05,360
who believe in that uh

682
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,159
life

683
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,200
development as opposed to a religious

684
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:11,360
you know spin on it

685
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,240
um

686
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,279
our bodies represent the planet

687
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,200
we are designed

688
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:19,919
for a 3d physical reality

689
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,120
in an inhabitable type of planet this

690
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,440
isn't a this isn't a perfectly habitable

691
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:27,120
planet that take matter

692
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,480
especially when you're walking you know

693
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,720
in northern new york with uh you know in

694
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,760
january

695
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:34,320
but it's habitable

696
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:35,200
um

697
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,640
and and

698
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,640
and we simply

699
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,520
evolved physically physiologically brain

700
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,799
two of course

701
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,880
and adapt appropriately shaped

702
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:46,400
accordingly

703
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,679
uh in many

704
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,679
different ways and here we are

705
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:51,279
we're still evolving

706
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,559
but for this planet but it seems maybe

707
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:57,200
or in humanoid may be a common type of

708
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,159
physical

709
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,720
structure as people report anecdotal

710
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,559
evidence of course i don't want to you

711
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,720
know get get into that tumor we can

712
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:06,640
touch upon that even not in human

713
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,600
intelligent beings that people report to

714
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:10,880
interact with

715
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:11,600
but

716
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,640
we're a product of the primordial soup

717
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:16,640
and and the lightning bolt that provide

718
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,000
the electromagnetic energy that sparked

719
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,760
supposedly life

720
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,600
and there's still controversy associated

721
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:25,200
with that of course

722
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,320
so back to the film the film

723
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:31,360
leans on near-death experience science

724
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,679
it must lean on near-death experience

725
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:35,919
science because that is some of the most

726
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,200
important and powerful science that

727
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:42,000
we're getting back about this extended

728
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:43,440
consciousness realm and how we should

729
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:46,559
understand it jeff long evan alexander

730
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,600
others

731
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:50,080
what are your thoughts from big picture

732
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:51,520
down to

733
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,640
the

734
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,399
details that we're struggling with in

735
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,880
terms of how we understand near-death

736
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:59,520
experience inside of the larger umbrella

737
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:01,600
of peak experiences how are you tackling

738
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:04,159
that in the film

739
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,919
well it's funny you mentioned that

740
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:07,520
because coincidentally maybe

741
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,679
synchronically i don't know how to

742
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,080
interpret that but we'll be interviewing

743
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,200
evan alexander as i previously mentioned

744
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,840
but it's worth repeating now again in

745
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:19,279
early august

746
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:20,080
and

747
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:23,760
with jeff long who's also going to be in

748
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,559
our documentary two leading researchers

749
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,039
in the area of nde you've mentioned it

750
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:31,039
several times of course the near that

751
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,720
experience of research foundation or

752
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:34,799
jeff long runs and if anybody wants to

753
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,600
understand ndes uh go to uh the archives

754
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,159
of people providing their qualitative

755
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,120
descriptions the essence of their nde

756
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:47,200
uh there's thousands of them and over a

757
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,640
thousand at least

758
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:50,799
uh that's a study in and of itself again

759
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:53,760
we lack that that qualitative aspect to

760
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,640
ndes you understand we don't understand

761
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,520
true reality unless we understand

762
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,360
what sense of reality are they talking

763
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:03,120
about we don't have the words the

764
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:04,480
definitions

765
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,520
the terms so language is not has not

766
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:09,600
developed matured enough linguistically

767
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:12,640
semantically to capture the essence of

768
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,240
that subjective s uh feeling of that nde

769
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:19,440
and obe and other peak exploitation

770
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,880
experiences um provide to the person and

771
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:25,440
it varies with personality of course too

772
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,559
but

773
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,320
um

774
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:30,159
the nde

775
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:33,919
gives us yes exceptional evidence um for

776
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:36,480
that elusive is a life after death

777
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,520
question

778
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:39,679
which we have always

779
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,799
contemplated and for good reason

780
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,039
and only anecdotal evidence it seems

781
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:47,120
we'll provide the answer but of course

782
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:48,559
our

783
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,440
umbrella or scientific methodology that

784
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,360
we apply doesn't get out it's not

785
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:55,840
designed to do so newtonian decide we

786
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,159
can't rely on science yet

787
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,840
yet to do so we said we need quantum

788
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,279
physics we know that we need to

789
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,279
integrate it and then all that sort of

790
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:06,080
stuff to get at truly what an nde is

791
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,760
it's real

792
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,360
i've talked with nanny you've talked to

793
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,960
many but the point is what are they

794
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:13,039
saying and this is the the umbrella to

795
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:13,919
me

796
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,559
others it it it's similar to the

797
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,880
holographic properties and that

798
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,039
correspond with certain principles of

799
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,520
quantum physics it gets into their

800
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,320
perceptual aspects that is it gets into

801
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,960
theories of non-locality we always use

802
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,360
that instantaneous information exchange

803
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:35,760
that in that timeless and placeless

804
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,559
dimension they try to describe that but

805
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:40,480
language doesn't capture it but we see

806
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,360
this

807
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:43,919
in experimental evidence at the quantum

808
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,559
level subatomic level but that could

809
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:49,279
certainly describe telepathy as well

810
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,640
you know uh experiments have proven that

811
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,720
without a doubt let's see bob i feel

812
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:57,039
like you're kind of again dancing around

813
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,480
this i mean so

814
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:00,880
what are we to make of the connection

815
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:03,120
between

816
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,559
non-local

817
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:06,080
non-physical

818
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,039
and

819
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:10,080
the physical down to the level of

820
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,919
not just proving it but in terms of

821
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:15,600
are they

822
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,760
this reality is it impossible to

823
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,279
understand

824
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,919
that other reality because that's what i

825
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,760
think a lot of the wisdom traditions are

826
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,760
telling us is

827
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,399
you know it's a fool's game to try and

828
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,320
understand

829
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,480
what what you're calling reality from

830
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:39,440
this reality do you believe that or do

831
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:40,880
you believe we have to push and

832
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,000
understand it and we can get there

833
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:46,559
i don't think we can i don't think

834
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:49,120
that's possible to experience true

835
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:52,960
reality unless unless we have a an nde

836
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,840
or an obe where and there's evidence as

837
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,679
you know a vertical perception where

838
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,519
information is obtained that's outside

839
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,240
their sensory systems there's no way

840
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,240
they could know evan alexander is one

841
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,159
example of someone who had a critical

842
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,080
perception jeff long published studies

843
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:09,840
like that but i know what you're saying

844
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,480
in a way it's not the data

845
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,399
i know i could bore you with that i get

846
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,120
it it's hard to get at that question

847
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,240
it's very deep i i admit that uh and you

848
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,720
wrestle with that and and of course i

849
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,559
don't have any answers and please what i

850
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,559
say don't interpret literally everybody

851
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:28,720
should be mind do their own research of

852
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,519
course

853
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,039
that's the problem i think that's the

854
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:32,720
number one question we have what is true

855
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,600
reality and and we struggle because

856
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:37,360
intuitively we know there's another

857
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,480
reality but but our brain says no stick

858
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,120
on the 3d stuff we're slaves to it again

859
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:45,919
i think and we can only capture reality

860
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,480
knowing true reality is if we have a

861
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,120
peak experience and you see support with

862
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,880
the holographic principles of quantum

863
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,120
mechanics which i could bore you with

864
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:57,600
you see their perception correlates with

865
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,480
many principles in quantum physics so

866
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,240
there's some support there between

867
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,640
science and the subjective which is real

868
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,960
cool that turns my head

869
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,200
uh it stimulates and motivates me and

870
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,279
i'm sure others like you too but i'm

871
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:13,919
trying to connect the dots and and and

872
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,640
like the chess game okay so people have

873
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:18,559
these wild experiences they're out of

874
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,919
the body they're interacting with

875
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:21,919
deceased relatives non-human entities

876
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:24,320
they're doing psycho dmt psilocybin they

877
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:27,679
see machine ls to to to you to the

878
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,640
graves

879
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,200
and and beyond besides deceased

880
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,000
relatives what is that all about does it

881
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:36,399
reflect their beliefs

882
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,279
does it reflect memories in their mind

883
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:41,200
are they being or somebody playing a

884
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,399
game

885
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,320
you know who's in control here

886
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,799
that's the point is it neurologically

887
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,039
psychotic induced or they sing in a true

888
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:51,440
reality and i try to address that in my

889
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,480
book

890
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,880
it's like how you separate psychosis

891
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:57,120
symptoms from what they truly experience

892
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,399
and you have to

893
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:59,440
you have to

894
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,120
because most of them are very sane

895
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,880
people but there are psychotic

896
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,799
individuals obviously who may you know

897
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,559
mimic some of that behavior

898
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:09,359
but it's easy to separate but that's the

899
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,320
point

900
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,000
you are certainly on the cutting edge of

901
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:14,079
this and that's why your books are so

902
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,839
important and that's why

903
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:17,919
we certainly want to get behind you and

904
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,720
get behind this film because the way

905
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,320
that you're trying to

906
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,040
lay it out is super important and it's

907
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:28,000
going to bring so many people along for

908
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,000
the the journey and digging into it in a

909
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:31,919
deeper way

910
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:35,040
i want to jump ahead with some things

911
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:36,480
that are kind of

912
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,679
more skeptical kind of related there's

913
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:41,839
not a lot of people i can talk to at

914
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:44,639
this level but i can talk to you because

915
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,440
you've already laid that groundwork so

916
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,440
what i was really driving at and all

917
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:52,240
that is kind of where i'm coming from

918
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,919
with the why evil matters question and

919
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,599
it's not i don't want people to

920
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,240
misunderstand that i'm not interested in

921
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:03,280
what is evil or calling out people or

922
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,160
pointing fingers i'm just saying that i

923
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,800
think the question of is there such a

924
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,200
thing that we would call evil does that

925
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,440
even exist is there such a thing that we

926
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:15,520
could call good is there a moral

927
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,960
imperative this seems to be coming back

928
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:21,040
from us directly from the near-death

929
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:22,920
experience science

930
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,480
undeniably clearly at this 90 percent

931
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,040
level they're saying yes there is a

932
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,119
moral imperative yes there is a

933
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:33,520
hierarchy to consciousness but i don't

934
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,400
know that's just 90 percent

935
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:38,480
i want to jump past that you mentioned

936
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,839
dean rayden and he's in the film

937
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:44,400
i just interviewed him and i was blown

938
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,520
away

939
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,200
in a really

940
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,960
kind of negative way that i'm still

941
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:50,480
trying to get over

942
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,680
because i think we're at a very very

943
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,160
interesting point in time i've never

944
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,560
been a big we're at the special place in

945
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,800
time kind of person because history kind

946
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,119
of throws that against the rocks and

947
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,839
crushes it pretty quickly but when dean

948
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,200
rayden says

949
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:10,079
yeah i'm working on

950
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:13,520
giving people a jab so that they can get

951
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,480
more psychic and create a hive mind

952
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:18,560
because the crazy stuff you guys are

953
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:21,280
doing out there needs to be controlled

954
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,640
and the way that i'm going to do it is

955
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,440
i'm going to change your dna and that's

956
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,280
going to change that filter that you're

957
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,200
calling your brain and that's going to

958
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:32,000
change consciousness i'm like

959
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,960
whoa

960
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,119
where have you gone you have some of the

961
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,920
most important fundamental research for

962
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,079
establishing for dissolving this

963
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:42,800
materialistic and now you're

964
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:46,160
taking it in this transhumanism

965
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:49,920
globalist kind of craziness that seems

966
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,400
to me contrary to

967
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,800
what i'm getting back from a subjective

968
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,560
level from the near-death experience

969
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,040
science which is

970
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,720
there is a hierarchy there is a moral

971
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,200
imperative although fooling around you

972
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,119
guys are doing with your lab

973
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,599
in with your experiments is for the most

974
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:09,520
part just

975
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,040
problematic in all these different ways

976
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:16,000
help me out here help me understand

977
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,760
why folks are using this advanced

978
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,760
technology that we're at

979
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,520
to try and

980
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,839
think they're masters of the universe

981
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:28,000
that can control our

982
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,359
consciousness

983
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:31,520
with a jab in the arm

984
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,880
well somebody got to make a book you

985
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,880
know

986
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,200
somebody just has to get a grant

987
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,839
to maintain an academic position

988
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:41,119
um

989
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,240
someone

990
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,240
has a kind of heart and truly wants to

991
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,400
help people and think they can

992
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,640
in some way and i like to think most

993
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,640
people who are trying to modify

994
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,960
consciousness you know using biofeedback

995
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,720
certain healing practices

996
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,200
yoga it comes in many different forms

997
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,200
and and then you have a dean raiden who

998
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:01,920
is doing his thing oh cool yeah i have

999
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:03,440
great respect for dean

1000
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:05,680
and and and i'll be at we'll be at the

1001
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,320
ions the institute for neurotic sciences

1002
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,240
once the lab is re-established to film

1003
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,839
dean and others who are doing research

1004
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,760
there uh and they're doing some very

1005
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:15,520
interesting research with mediums in

1006
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,640
fact um

1007
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:18,720
like when bridge you mentioned that many

1008
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:20,480
times let me underline a point you're

1009
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,760
making there so that it's not

1010
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,440
misconstrued and so that you have the

1011
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:25,520
space to talk about this without it

1012
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,640
sounding like i'm you know slamming dean

1013
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:31,040
rayden and that is that dean in that

1014
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:32,400
interview that i gave

1015
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:36,560
makes a point that is solid and arguable

1016
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:39,680
the first big point that he makes is

1017
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,119
quit talking about if this is happening

1018
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:46,320
it is happening we are changing the

1019
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,440
genome we are changing our dna we are

1020
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:51,680
jabbing people in the arm and that is

1021
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,280
done forget it the cow has left the barn

1022
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:58,079
it's like ai is my background artificial

1023
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:02,160
intelligence quit talking about if it is

1024
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,760
here we are dealing with it so dean is

1025
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:06,960
saying

1026
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:09,280
if we're in the middle of that sea

1027
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:10,320
change

1028
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:13,119
don't we need to understand

1029
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,520
how we might shape it how we might

1030
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:17,839
direct it and what might be

1031
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:20,560
advantageous for our species in the

1032
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,839
future and in that respect you can't

1033
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,160
like i said in the interview maybe we

1034
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:28,560
should be glad maybe we should be glad

1035
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:31,599
that it's dean rayden who's who's out

1036
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,640
there doing it as opposed to some guy in

1037
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:36,880
china that's buried in some lab that we

1038
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,839
don't even know what he's doing so but

1039
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,440
i'm not sure i'm not saying i i've

1040
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:43,920
subscribed to that either but this is a

1041
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:47,920
unique point in history as it relates to

1042
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,280
take a jab physically change the filter

1043
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,800
that we're talking about the valve in

1044
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:55,200
your head and then change your conscious

1045
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,640
experience

1046
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,400
yeah well that well you're taking a

1047
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,320
chance are you sure you you could change

1048
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,480
the filter in your head to change your

1049
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,560
conscious experience come on i mean you

1050
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:06,480
know i i i for one don't want to

1051
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:08,000
participate in that experiment i don't

1052
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,119
know how i was going to pass the

1053
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,119
committee on on protection of human

1054
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,520
subjects but

1055
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:15,280
you know you have a lot of conspiracy

1056
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,880
theorists thinking consciousness is

1057
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,040
being changed by many kinds of jabs that

1058
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:21,359
we're all taking every day it seems but

1059
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,119
and maybe it is in some ways uh we

1060
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:28,000
strive for truth there's more truth

1061
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,280
seekers

1062
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:32,000
than others of course and and those that

1063
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:32,880
are

1064
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:35,200
try to to alter consciousness for the

1065
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:37,520
better the

1066
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:38,130
you know

1067
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,280
[Music]

1068
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:42,160
the problem is how can we improve

1069
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,280
human

1070
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:45,680
suffering through through this technique

1071
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:48,880
and and it's hard to figure that one out

1072
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:51,760
um and and maybe it's trying to widen

1073
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,640
that filter naturally and maybe even

1074
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:56,960
with the jab of dmt i don't know if

1075
00:41:02,230 --> 00:40:59,760
altering dna is going too far i don't

1076
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,240
know if you know what dna controls

1077
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,400
exactly what you want to achieve you

1078
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,240
know you know gary nolan is going to be

1079
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:08,400
in our documentary many people know the

1080
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:09,280
name

1081
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,640
he's um recently been on many shows he

1082
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,359
he doesn't make a conclusion but he does

1083
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:17,760
make the suggestion that an area as you

1084
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,119
know uh in the chordate and putimen of

1085
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:23,520
the hippocampus we see a greater

1086
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,720
enhancement of white connectivity okay

1087
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,880
there's more stuff going on all right he

1088
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,640
shows the shows the map you know you've

1089
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:32,480
heard him and people know

1090
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:34,160
what does that mean well he doesn't say

1091
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,680
anything about what it means but but

1092
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,760
it's unique many of them had the havana

1093
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,079
syndrome and uap interact all that sort

1094
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,680
of stuff are they psychics right you

1095
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:43,680
know we have a physiological biological

1096
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,960
marker for

1097
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:46,640
for that

1098
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:50,240
empathy esp the intelligent esp all that

1099
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:51,040
so

1100
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,480
uh interesting

1101
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,480
interesting but you know can you modify

1102
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,440
a gene to create that if that structure

1103
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,160
is an evolutionary thing going on

1104
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,000
that could potentially you know maybe

1105
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:04,079
make a psychic esp

1106
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,040
show us kind of human potential growth

1107
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:08,960
to improve

1108
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,599
us at a personal and societal level

1109
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,680
we're at that cusp but people

1110
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:15,520
understandably are playing around with

1111
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,920
things that are just unique to their

1112
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,920
discipline this is what they know

1113
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:22,160
let's back up and make sure that people

1114
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,200
know

1115
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,440
gary nolan a little bit and the

1116
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:27,119
reference you're making

1117
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,560
because what gary has shown

1118
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,880
and is claiming and as

1119
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,319
i think has shown

1120
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,079
is that there are people that have had

1121
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:38,319
an encounter a contact experience with

1122
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,359
e.t

1123
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:41,920
and their brains are different

1124
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:44,640
and that is he's saying that that is a

1125
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,359
direct result and he's saying that we've

1126
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,680
studied it and we have information back

1127
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,160
from other contact that says that's it

1128
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,280
and that it looks experimental sometimes

1129
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:57,680
that change wasn't so good it led to

1130
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,680
like death in some people so

1131
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:03,359
just to put an emphasis to put an

1132
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:05,440
exclamation point

1133
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,319
we are at a very interesting time we

1134
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:10,800
mentioned dean raiden take the jab

1135
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:13,760
change your dna change the filter maybe

1136
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,960
we got to do that to stay on pace with

1137
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:19,680
et who's saying i can come in there and

1138
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,160
change your brain and now change what's

1139
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,720
going on too it's again this sounds

1140
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,359
crazy to people but just go do a little

1141
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,280
look-see and

1142
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,800
you you can't

1143
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,800
unlook it after that

1144
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,160
well you know

1145
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,640
you know alex this is this is what i i

1146
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,560
struggle with almost daily this is why

1147
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,880
i'm doing a documentary i'll wake people

1148
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:43,119
up to the complexity of reality i don't

1149
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,560
have any any answers to what you're

1150
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,400
asking me that they're the best

1151
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:48,720
questions i've ever received like switch

1152
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:51,839
gears over you mentioned gary schwartz

1153
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,280
arizona cell phone i had marked mark

1154
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,800
picstic on

1155
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,560
love those guys even though i gave mark

1156
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:00,720
kind of a hard time

1157
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,920
but here's another dimension to this

1158
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,079
which is technology

1159
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:08,720
will we be able to have an app that will

1160
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,520
connect us to this extended rom that's

1161
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,520
what they're working on essentially more

1162
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,920
or less with the soul phone

1163
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,240
what does that do and again if we put it

1164
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:20,720
in in this timeline perspective what

1165
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,160
does it mean that we are at this point

1166
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,119
in history in this long technological

1167
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,040
advancement that we can have of the last

1168
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,599
hundred years and say we are now where

1169
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:34,319
we can actually imagine doing something

1170
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,680
like that

1171
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,160
what are you what in your gut

1172
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,400
having had all these experiences and

1173
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,040
thought about this and published and

1174
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:45,680
researched this what is your gut feel

1175
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,119
about the intersection of technology

1176
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,359
with what's going on in the extended

1177
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:53,520
consciousness realm i'll be honest with

1178
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:54,319
you

1179
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:58,079
some respects who are at the cusp as i

1180
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:58,880
was

1181
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:01,359
trying to think say before of using

1182
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,880
technology in in fancy dramatic ways

1183
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:06,560
then i commend those who do that you

1184
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,040
know one of them will be the inventor

1185
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,359
we'll we'll be able to measure

1186
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:13,680
consciousness i i know somebody who has

1187
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,160
a meter and gave it to dean rayden to do

1188
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:18,160
just that that's another issue a

1189
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,079
consciousness meter basically um

1190
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,079
that's that's another story so we're

1191
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,480
wrong that we're on that cusp but i

1192
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:28,560
don't think we have the proper proper

1193
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,599
tools uh to do it people strive to do it

1194
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,200
the cell phone by

1195
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,880
by gary schwartz so there's some

1196
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,680
preliminary data that are suggestive at

1197
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,800
best that something is going on it's a

1198
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:43,440
very complex procedural process and as

1199
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:46,960
you alluded to it utilizes a a computer

1200
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,599
a unique software package and and the

1201
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,760
the goal here is to figure out if a

1202
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,920
deceased individual is a prop responding

1203
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,839
appropriately and following computer

1204
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,319
derived demands to go into one location

1205
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:00,800
versus another and some preliminary data

1206
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,680
says yeah it says let's give me some

1207
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,000
more money and i need to experiment more

1208
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,680
to figure this out it's important we're

1209
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:09,200
going to try to figure out his lifetime

1210
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,880
to death give me give me two million

1211
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,960
dollars you know right

1212
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,720
and i read his i have a great respect

1213
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,960
for gary schwartz but he's he's got he's

1214
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,560
got to put burn the table he's got to

1215
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,880
work at uh at the university but he

1216
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:23,040
could certainly be on to something i

1217
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:24,160
commend him

1218
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,400
i commend like you dean rayden for all

1219
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,240
of it for all his efforts leading

1220
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:30,319
scientists in parapsychology

1221
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,599
um

1222
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,920
and they're doing remarkable work we

1223
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,280
certainly have to be careful of what

1224
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,599
we're doing we're subject to criticism

1225
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,160
certainly my work is too subject to

1226
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,680
criticism and

1227
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,760
i talk about this stuff to some people

1228
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,560
reluctantly because they they can't

1229
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,440
relate and and and because their reality

1230
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,400
subjective science is is different oh so

1231
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:54,640
okay uh and we

1232
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,200
go to friends who meet our same reality

1233
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,079
in a sense given our personal criteria

1234
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:03,119
and sometimes we have that uh

1235
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,720
we meet that soulmate or best friend but

1236
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,319
you know it's a complementarity

1237
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,319
principle that that that bohr wrote

1238
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,670
and the human beings have to complement

1239
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,000
you know complement each other but the

1240
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,640
other part of that in the scary part of

1241
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:23,520
that and i know you've encountered this

1242
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,400
already

1243
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,040
and as you push forward and you push the

1244
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,880
edge which you're doing

1245
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:30,559
then you're going to encounter it even

1246
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,599
more is

1247
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:32,800
the divide

1248
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,240
the gap you know uh 20 30 years ago we

1249
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,480
used to talk about the gap between

1250
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,960
people who are computer literate and

1251
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,559
those who are not

1252
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,440
well imagine how that gap is widening

1253
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:47,520
and then imagine if we make one of these

1254
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,040
leaps

1255
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:51,680
how that gap becomes even larger and how

1256
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,119
we have different classes of citizens

1257
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,720
different classes of

1258
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,319
fellow human beings i forget the

1259
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,400
colleagues you know that we're just like

1260
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,640
well you can't even talk about it with

1261
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:05,040
those people and does that lead to kind

1262
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:08,720
of an elitism and are we here's the real

1263
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,359
question are we already seeing that and

1264
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,680
we're not totally aware of it are we

1265
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,240
seeing a group of people that have made

1266
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,040
decisions that feel that they have to be

1267
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,599
made at a level that the rest of us

1268
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,240
can't fully understand and they're just

1269
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:25,920
going to push the ball forward because

1270
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,640
they have to they can't stop and explain

1271
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,640
the big picture to everybody

1272
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:32,559
in general without getting into

1273
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,520
specifics does that concern you that

1274
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,599
that there is this

1275
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,760
whether we want to or not we're

1276
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:41,359
widening the gap

1277
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,559
well you hit it

1278
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,680
in other words

1279
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:45,520
you know i did this my whole life in

1280
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,119
this field

1281
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,599
i'm hitting a ceiling

1282
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,359
where do i go

1283
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,839
i'll do you know i'll go here what else

1284
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:55,920
what else can i do i don't you

1285
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,200
understand like

1286
00:49:00,950 --> 00:49:00,000
where do i direct my research now in a

1287
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,960
sense

1288
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,640
now that i have all these experiments

1289
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:05,280
behind me what does it say

1290
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:07,280
where do i go what's it telling me the

1291
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,480
chess game

1292
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,319
then you have a peak experience as many

1293
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,079
people do that's what motivates them to

1294
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,240
get into research because it does i had

1295
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,599
to share that not a near-death

1296
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,440
experience and then the kundalini that

1297
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:19,119
if i was young i did more research and

1298
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,040
later but i did research from the dr

1299
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,720
edgar mitchell research foundation and i

1300
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:24,240
published that article in journal the

1301
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,280
scientific

1302
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:26,960
exploration

1303
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:29,359
we wrote it russ scalpone and i wrote it

1304
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:31,359
but uh ray hernandez

1305
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:32,960
helped develop the survey and many

1306
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,119
people did like brent rains and barbara

1307
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,599
mango uh and a few others my dear friend

1308
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,680
rosemary ellen guyley who you may know

1309
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,440
she published my last book on scene

1310
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,359
forces but i'm getting off the topic

1311
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,200
you know we're driven by our past here

1312
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:47,599
again times on illusion my past research

1313
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,040
my past experiences drives our our

1314
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:53,520
destiny drives our future so if we look

1315
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,240
at time as a as a 3d thing you know the

1316
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:58,079
past exists and to some extent the

1317
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:59,680
future may too

1318
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:01,119
where do i want to go at least we at

1319
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,800
least be considerate and we can alter

1320
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:05,280
our past making decisions that's a 3d

1321
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,079
thing

1322
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:08,640
obviously we're stuck with that i'll be

1323
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,040
seeing 4d 5d in the near-death

1324
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,280
out-of-body experience of course and and

1325
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,520
do we gather more type of

1326
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,599
consciousness or i should say interact

1327
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:19,599
with some information field or whatever

1328
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:22,720
it may be are we leaving just way the

1329
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:25,599
rest of everybody behind are we are are

1330
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:28,240
we just creating this other way of

1331
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:30,800
thinking about a kind of two class have

1332
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,599
and have not society in the people who

1333
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,079
can get to this point of understanding

1334
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:39,359
this and understand the implications of

1335
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,480
oh is it widening now like moore's law

1336
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,880
like out of control so much

1337
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,359
look at you look you know like i tried

1338
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:49,200
to capture this for people at the

1339
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:50,240
beginning

1340
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,559
you start as a totally legit guy legit

1341
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:56,319
in the sense that

1342
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,520
pure science harvard giving you the pat

1343
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:01,839
on the back cambridge pat on the back

1344
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,480
published papers all that you were part

1345
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:07,440
of that machine and now your rocket ship

1346
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:08,480
out there

1347
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,160
e.t no one touches e.t you do near-death

1348
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:14,640
experience no one touches that

1349
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:15,839
kundalini

1350
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,800
you're there and and i'm tossing you

1351
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:20,640
these things and you're just batting

1352
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:23,359
them around like no problem

1353
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,480
what percentage of people can get to the

1354
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:28,400
point where they can join this

1355
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,839
conversation in a real way and since we

1356
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,680
know that number is

1357
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,359
crazy low

1358
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,599
then what are when we get together like

1359
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,359
you said when a group of us get together

1360
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,440
and say okay we can kind of think about

1361
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:43,119
this and talk about it

1362
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,480
we're going to make decisions that are

1363
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:46,960
going to leave out 99

1364
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,359
plus percentage of the population what

1365
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:51,280
are the implications of that from a kind

1366
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,040
of democracy standpoint from a world

1367
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,520
governance standpoint it's scary to

1368
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,839
think about it from that from that way

1369
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,000
and and that's where i think we're at

1370
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,240
it's scary it's heavy it's scary to

1371
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,040
think about i think that gap is gap is

1372
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,760
widening with the advances in technology

1373
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,160
uh which is geometrically

1374
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:13,920
evolving

1375
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,319
where do we see consciousness studies

1376
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,800
uh mindfulness meditation all those

1377
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,960
practices that you're referring to that

1378
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,960
the documentary and other things

1379
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:25,040
contribute towards the betterment of

1380
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,559
everyone's personal um happiness

1381
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,640
relax all of that

1382
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:32,480
whatever it may do to comfort the

1383
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:35,440
individual and we and now we see a

1384
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,720
little bit of that

1385
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:38,960
we only see a few dean raiden's you know

1386
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,280
schwartz's et cetera it's scattered

1387
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,680
about i don't know if i'm in that camp

1388
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:45,440
thank you very much i don't know if i am

1389
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:48,400
but you know in part experience has

1390
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,359
motivated me to talk about this

1391
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:53,040
very much reluctantly i'll be honest

1392
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:54,480
with you alex i wouldn't talk about my

1393
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,280
kundalini death experience uh two years

1394
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,359
two three years ago and people just

1395
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,200
start get coming out of the closet

1396
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,119
obviously stigma

1397
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:05,839
we all know that but i understand all

1398
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:07,599
that and i understand spiritual

1399
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,319
emergency and unique to everybody varies

1400
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:11,839
considerably among people but i

1401
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:14,079
understand i get it like i said when i

1402
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,359
had a kundalini experience like you

1403
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:16,960
became a tree hugger for a period of

1404
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,040
time i i never was always like nature of

1405
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:21,200
course but i did have that

1406
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,640
interconnection

1407
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,400
that that sense of oneness that the

1408
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,319
holographic theory of consciousness

1409
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:29,119
talks about you know from instincts to

1410
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:32,319
to uh cognitive function to obese to

1411
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,119
ndes to reincarnation to oneness they

1412
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,280
talk about people always talk about that

1413
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:39,440
state what are they talking about

1414
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,480
what what does oneness mean it means

1415
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,559
one more than zero you know or less than

1416
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:46,400
two yeah you know what

1417
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:49,520
but the subjective science to it right

1418
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:52,079
the gap is whitening we don't nurture it

1419
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:53,599
it doesn't evolve

1420
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,000
obviously uh these little kids should

1421
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,920
practice mindfulness meditation among

1422
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,000
other things of course that can help the

1423
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:02,400
brain structure as you wisely mentioned

1424
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,000
earlier and it does it does support a

1425
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:08,160
physiologic function immunological

1426
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,000
function i could bore the audience to

1427
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:12,400
death on the benefits galore it may not

1428
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,359
cure cancer it may not do xyz yeah but

1429
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:17,359
it's very beneficial financially for the

1430
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,640
third time

1431
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:20,960
you know esp is real i know that i know

1432
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,960
the data it doesn't mean i can read the

1433
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:24,480
dollar bill in your pocket it's

1434
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:27,760
statistical it's subtle it's real

1435
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,400
you see so with dean raiden uh diane

1436
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,119
hennessey powell who does esp work with

1437
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:36,079
savannah she's in our film uh jeff long

1438
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,960
oncologist who also does you know nde

1439
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,880
research pat him on the back a few come

1440
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:42,319
out of the closet

1441
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:44,960
who are and doctors too and some change

1442
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,520
i've talked to many doctors

1443
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,920
who've changed their business in their

1444
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:52,559
30s thriving practice they changed the

1445
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,520
after an nde or an interaction with the

1446
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:58,079
with the non-intelligent uh

1447
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,760
non-human intelligence coming from a

1448
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,760
spaceship whatever the story is we all

1449
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,960
know

1450
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,480
i hear it all the time what am i

1451
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,319
supposed to do with that alex that's

1452
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,680
what that's you see that's what i always

1453
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:09,680
ask myself somebody tells me i'm more

1454
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,880
sane than me

1455
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,680
a gray walked into my bedroom

1456
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,799
uh

1457
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,960
michael j carter a friend of mine you

1458
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:18,480
you know michael

1459
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:21,440
great bob i said mike prove to me a

1460
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:23,119
notice of the reality that people

1461
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:24,640
talking about bob

1462
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:27,119
a great touch me

1463
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,640
i may have talked about this on my last

1464
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:30,640
show and apologized if it did great no

1465
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,799
you didn't you know it was that might be

1466
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:34,799
great touch me reverend michael's

1467
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,280
recorded he's not psychotic he's a

1468
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:39,200
beautiful dude i wish i was as beautiful

1469
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:42,160
as it as he was you know in many ways

1470
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,000
i like to think i'm evolving i don't

1471
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,240
think my experiences helped i think they

1472
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,480
did i'll be truthful i'm far from

1473
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:50,720
perfect you know and don't again don't

1474
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:53,680
interpret what i say literally um but i

1475
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:55,359
love talking with you again as you

1476
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:57,440
mentioned earlier who do you talk to

1477
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,480
about this

1478
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:00,480
where is the evolution of this direction

1479
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,359
it's limited but that's why look let me

1480
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,520
go to monroe and ions how many exist

1481
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,440
there are a few i looked at all these

1482
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:09,359
consciousness organizations worldwide to

1483
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,640
support the film

1484
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:12,480
there's one in portugal there's one over

1485
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:14,839
here this one over here you gotta look

1486
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,839
inside why why why is why is that the

1487
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,920
case why is that the case because this

1488
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:21,680
is something i've been hammering on for

1489
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,640
10 years and even when i talk to people

1490
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,200
i i love and respect like bruce grayson

1491
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:29,280
they're reluctant to go there and that's

1492
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,040
like if you don't think that's

1493
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,079
conspiratorial wake the up i mean

1494
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,040
we spent we spent you know it it's just

1495
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:39,680
it's self evident in the fact that you

1496
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,319
look at where we've put resources right

1497
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:44,559
we've put and not a ton of resources but

1498
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,599
you're going to go talk to joe

1499
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,359
mcmonachel and you're going to talk to

1500
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,680
him about remote viewing

1501
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:50,720
that was

1502
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,599
you know

1503
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:53,839
now at this point that's 40 years ago

1504
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:56,799
they were not asking the question about

1505
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,440
is consciousness an illusion

1506
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:01,920
they were they

1507
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:05,040
was how do i operationalize this how do

1508
00:58:02,870 --> 00:57:06,160
i

1509
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:02,880
when you say that bob

1510
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,680
aren't

1511
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,599
come on i mean that is like so

1512
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:06,880
paper-thin

1513
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:08,720
again it's this gap it's where they're

1514
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:11,119
saying look give that to the normal to

1515
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,119
the normies out there just let that be

1516
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,760
the message and then let's get on with

1517
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:17,760
really trying to figure out

1518
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:20,880
what e.t is up to let's figure out what

1519
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:23,200
the demons and angels are up to let's go

1520
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,559
figure that out because that's the

1521
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,640
important work and just let the rest

1522
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,640
these people think it's all just you

1523
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,400
know what this

1524
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,799
yes there's two uaps

1525
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:35,359
there's the unified area of

1526
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:36,480
phenomena and then you have your

1527
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,200
unacknowledged access programs yes okay

1528
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,280
you know what i'm saying uh

1529
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,760
right where the where where the nukes uh

1530
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:47,440
and all that you know from from an

1531
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,920
office in the pentagon i of course i get

1532
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:51,040
it um

1533
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:54,319
i've talked with john alexander um a few

1534
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,359
times

1535
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,920
um about that

1536
00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:00,400
as people knows with the cia non-lethal

1537
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:02,559
weapons interesting individual

1538
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:05,440
um then goes shamanic kind of yeah

1539
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,119
like you in a way i mean there's

1540
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,520
something there but you know uh they

1541
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,200
they have done

1542
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,680
psychops is real i've talked to people

1543
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,440
who've been there yeah you know i don't

1544
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:17,200
want to really get into it but it's it's

1545
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,559
real and and it's uap related too

1546
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:22,079
um

1547
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:23,520
they infiltrate

1548
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:29,839
friends and how how do they get

1549
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,400
information the best way really

1550
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:34,079
to look to

1551
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,680
to listen to you

1552
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:37,760
see what people are doing uh top

1553
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,200
whatever they do

1554
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:42,000
uh enjoying join research foundations

1555
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,720
you know what i'm saying um and uh set

1556
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,799
people up and that's their job they're

1557
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:48,000
not going to hurt people they're just

1558
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,680
gathering information that's all they do

1559
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:51,680
that's it but again discipline specific

1560
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:53,599
that's what they did all their life now

1561
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,839
retired what am i going to do

1562
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,880
hey

1563
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:58,319
so i want to figure out what

1564
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:00,799
consciousness is from a public view me i

1565
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:03,359
learned something like the uap same same

1566
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:04,480
thing

1567
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:06,960
experiences i know

1568
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:08,160
people

1569
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:08,880
and

1570
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,119
i know people who who know people you

1571
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,960
know and everybody says that i hate to

1572
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,119
be in that position you know it's this

1573
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:17,680
is why i wrestle so much

1574
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:20,000
not that i know no people but

1575
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,640
the story i hear of incredible

1576
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:24,000
sources

1577
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:30,309
they'll send people to some ex major

1578
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,400
experiences they know major experiences

1579
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,040
and and they'll try to establish you

1580
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:39,680
know close relations with some

1581
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:41,920
uh to gather information to maybe even

1582
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:44,160
experience what they're experiencing to

1583
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:45,760
learn of what is consciousness

1584
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,319
psychedelic drugs too the whole bit

1585
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:50,400
um and there is something to learn in a

1586
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:52,880
way in a way i applaud them i i hope

1587
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,119
they don't misuse or abuse people here

1588
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,359
you know what i'm saying tap phones and

1589
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,599
probably they do you know i hear clicks

1590
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:01,200
every now and then who to help take

1591
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:02,960
notes maybe i'm a little paranoid in my

1592
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:04,880
old age but

1593
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,200
but they do well what you're saying is

1594
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:09,599
import is really important and is really

1595
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:12,319
next level and that's that

1596
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,960
how would we feel if they weren't doing

1597
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:16,559
that

1598
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,720
of what you're saying is we'd be like

1599
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:22,640
hey get on this

1600
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:24,640
you know we're not totally comfortable

1601
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,799
that they're doing it in secret and

1602
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:28,480
they're not revealing it and they seem

1603
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:30,960
to have all these conflicting motives

1604
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:33,599
that play out in different ways but hell

1605
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:36,240
yes we want them to

1606
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:42,390
we know these unacknowledged aspects

1607
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:44,480
programs that will obtain information

1608
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,480
with that new research

1609
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,119
office uh they will share what they want

1610
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:51,599
to share and i'm not going to you know i

1611
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:53,440
applaud them that they went this far

1612
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:55,520
where what was that the past 70 years

1613
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:57,440
let's not get into that please you know

1614
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:59,039
what is disclosure this this isn't

1615
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,480
disclosure

1616
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:02,160
at a little spoon you know teaspoon

1617
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:03,359
level maybe

1618
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:09,750
they're going they're going to

1619
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,520
not tell

1620
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:13,920
what fully what they know and so that

1621
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:15,920
there's breaking news on cnn that

1622
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:18,480
there's life after death that that et is

1623
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:20,079
here they're interacting with human

1624
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:21,920
beings we have the evidence

1625
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:24,079
you know i i've looked at the evidence

1626
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,680
from thousands of people i've talked to

1627
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:27,280
hundreds of people

1628
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:29,680
the evidence is there in my mind they're

1629
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,400
interacting with non-human entities more

1630
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,319
often than not not associated with the

1631
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:36,960
uap but there's a physical component to

1632
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:39,440
it maybe 20 of the time and people go

1633
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:41,359
through that we we know the details the

1634
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:42,400
the

1635
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,480
bit uh

1636
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:48,720
let's not go into those details

1637
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:51,200
without going into the details how are

1638
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:52,960
you processing

1639
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:53,839
the

1640
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,920
immediately know what i'm talking about

1641
01:03:02,390 --> 01:02:59,359
the demonic

1642
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:02,400
hypothesis kind of thing i i hate the

1643
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:06,000
term because it's overlaid with this

1644
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:09,200
christian cultish kind of abrahamic

1645
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:10,480
religion

1646
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:13,200
that it just doesn't doesn't make sense

1647
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:15,280
from a historical standpoint and yet at

1648
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,680
the same time we have the sense that

1649
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:19,440
there is some

1650
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,240
reality malevolence in the extended

1651
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:24,640
realm we don't know how to

1652
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:27,839
process that how to sort that but

1653
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:30,720
when you're being raped by an e.t

1654
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,559
and then as you mentioned and that was

1655
01:03:37,029 --> 01:03:34,400
one of the fallings out i had with the

1656
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:37,039
free organization was was like

1657
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:40,720
look if you can't wrap your arms around

1658
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:44,079
all the whole data set then you're just

1659
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:45,520
doing

1660
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,640
some form another of misinformation

1661
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,799
disinformation whether you want to or

1662
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,079
not so

1663
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,240
if that's part of the data set

1664
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,079
we have to acknowledge it

1665
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,799
well yeah it's a terrible experience for

1666
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,960
many but usually the first few times how

1667
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:03,039
can it not be but those who had it more

1668
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,559
than 10 times

1669
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:05,920
russ and i looked at it all the day to

1670
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:07,599
try to dissect that

1671
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:09,920
the the long-term experiences by number

1672
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:12,880
of interactions with non-intelligence

1673
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:14,880
out of a thousand eleven hundred people

1674
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,319
approximately eighty percent wanted

1675
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,640
their experiences to continue

1676
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:20,960
you know so you know what does that mean

1677
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:23,920
so but very well and more negative just

1678
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:26,640
like there's 10 10 20 hellish ndes as

1679
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:28,160
well here's the problem i have with that

1680
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:29,760
and i'd love for you to comment on it

1681
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:31,200
again this is like

1682
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:33,920
deep inside baseball who cares

1683
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:37,200
the the i so applaud you guys for doing

1684
01:04:42,309 --> 01:04:39,839
that work absolutely fundamental

1685
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,319
important and that is the free work the

1686
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,039
survey work on contact experience which

1687
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:46,960
kind of for people who don't know who

1688
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,359
kind of mirrors like what jeff long did

1689
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:51,359
with near-death experience start

1690
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:53,599
collecting this with carefully

1691
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:54,640
designed

1692
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:57,200
scientific studies and i always say this

1693
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,319
if you think surveys aren't scientific

1694
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:02,559
ask your qu ask yourself the question

1695
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:05,359
how do we measure depression in people

1696
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:07,760
we go out we survey them and we say do

1697
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:09,760
you feel depressed

1698
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,720
go do this now how do you feel and we

1699
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:15,119
ask it 40 different ways we have all a

1700
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:16,880
grief you know we could go into all

1701
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:19,280
these different ways that of course

1702
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:21,520
surveys are incredibly powerful

1703
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:23,119
scientifically so why wouldn't we use

1704
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:24,640
them for near-death experience of course

1705
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,039
we would why wouldn't we use them in the

1706
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:28,799
case of contact experience of course we

1707
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:30,400
would you're part of that project

1708
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:33,280
applaud you here's the difference

1709
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:36,160
there is another baseline with

1710
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:39,119
near-death experience and that is

1711
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,640
peter fennick

1712
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,240
penny sartori

1713
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:44,640
sam parnia start

1714
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,200
pim van lamo go into the cardiac arrest

1715
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:49,440
ward and they say okay

1716
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,720
people are having all these near-death

1717
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,480
experiences all over the way drowning

1718
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:54,160
jumping jumping off the golden gate

1719
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:56,319
bridge all of a sudden forget all that i

1720
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:58,240
want to focus on this narrow

1721
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,400
physiologically controlled experience of

1722
01:06:04,069 --> 01:06:02,559
having a heart attack i seem to know

1723
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:04,079
certain things about what's going to

1724
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:06,000
happen brain going to stop the heart's

1725
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:06,960
going to stop brain's going to stop

1726
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,359
blood flow i can measure all their stuff

1727
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:11,760
now that becomes somewhat of a baseline

1728
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:15,599
so when that data matches up with jeff

1729
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:17,680
long's data

1730
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,160
i start getting really interested

1731
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:22,640
the problem potentially and i'm not i

1732
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:24,319
don't want to overblow this the problem

1733
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,760
potentially with the free thing is

1734
01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:29,680
now we no longer have that baseline so

1735
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:31,760
we have to start asking questions who's

1736
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,559
responding to this survey you know not

1737
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,720
not in like crazy people are responding

1738
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:39,200
to it but just like if i got raped by an

1739
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:41,520
alien do i fill out a survey online

1740
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,039
saying i got raped by an alien and if it

1741
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:47,119
skews it even a little bit does that

1742
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:50,240
start to skew the numbers so there's all

1743
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:51,280
these

1744
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,119
yeah again applaud you for getting the

1745
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:55,680
data yeah yeah look i respect that

1746
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:58,000
question alex

1747
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,760
there are there are certainly advantages

1748
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,440
as you mentioned of course how do you

1749
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:03,280
measure love you know you can't this is

1750
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:05,359
again we lack that subjective science

1751
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:06,960
and and that's

1752
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:09,359
the necessity and importance of where we

1753
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:12,160
need to go scientifically speaking you

1754
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:15,440
see the results um look i i've done

1755
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:17,359
experimental

1756
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:19,359
experiments my whole life i'm i've

1757
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,160
taught research methodology 12 all that

1758
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:24,480
i know there's limitations to every

1759
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:27,359
study in so many dramatic ways it's it's

1760
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:28,720
remarkable

1761
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:30,960
um the fact happened there's of course

1762
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:33,200
limitations to our survey

1763
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:36,640
uh we did however test for validity

1764
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,280
external and internal and did a lot of

1765
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:41,520
internal statistical analysis russ you

1766
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:43,599
see scalpone who worked with me directly

1767
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:44,799
on the article

1768
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:47,440
is an expert in statistics and research

1769
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:49,359
design uh

1770
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:50,960
he teaches it

1771
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:51,760
so

1772
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:53,200
he

1773
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,400
i i needed him um and i i

1774
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:58,400
used him to figure it out and we really

1775
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,440
tested that

1776
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:01,680
and that came out all good

1777
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,920
we looked for repeaters we looked we had

1778
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:05,920
some emotional questions of course of

1779
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:09,280
course the point is this we had 3 200

1780
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,240
people over 3 200 people responded

1781
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:14,079
even if there was

1782
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:18,719
that i was raped by aliens and they have

1783
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:21,120
they have a psychosis of some type

1784
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:22,880
that's causing them to say that that's

1785
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:25,120
their reality even if you include the

1786
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:27,520
psychotics and it can't be 20

1787
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:30,239
that's way higher than the normal

1788
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:32,960
incidence for that but of course you're

1789
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:35,520
going to have individuals who who are

1790
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,799
inappropriate

1791
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:38,640
who are lying for whatever reason and

1792
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:41,040
there's a ways to tell however in a

1793
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:43,040
survey especially with russ calpound he

1794
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:43,920
knows

1795
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:45,920
not perfectly nothing's perfect but he

1796
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,759
knows how to moderate that to some

1797
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:48,960
extent

1798
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:50,440
um

1799
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:55,520
it says something significant even if

1800
01:09:01,749 --> 01:08:58,640
you include psychotics that's my point

1801
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:01,759
and when 80 85 percent are saying

1802
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:03,759
the same general thing

1803
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:05,359
you can't ignore that

1804
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:06,640
we're talking about thousands of

1805
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:08,159
individuals

1806
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:10,080
and you see so

1807
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:12,000
i understand your point very well you

1808
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:13,520
have to interpret the data very

1809
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:16,400
carefully and statistics can be very

1810
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:18,640
misleading i know that

1811
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:21,520
and and and i don't mind you at all for

1812
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,679
and i i appreciate the question alex

1813
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:24,799
because i often don't have the

1814
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:27,279
opportunity to discuss this nobody even

1815
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:29,040
reads the article i think it's so

1816
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,640
important i'm not patting myself on the

1817
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:32,400
back i'm not

1818
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:34,480
at all i think it's important for the

1819
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:36,799
field let's make sure that we don't

1820
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:37,920
gloss over that because we kind of

1821
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,880
skipped ahead back up what is the result

1822
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:42,719
of that so you go out

1823
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:44,960
you did a beautiful job there of

1824
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:47,759
explaining better than i did how a a

1825
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:50,319
scientist who's familiar with this kind

1826
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,199
of work could compile a survey could

1827
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:55,679
feel confident in the results what's the

1828
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:57,679
big picture message from the results in

1829
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:00,560
terms of contact experience

1830
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:02,080
eighty percent of them say it's like

1831
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:04,400
having an obe being floated up into a

1832
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:06,320
matrix

1833
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:07,600
non-physical

1834
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:09,600
positive though positive

1835
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:12,000
and it's but it's positive right they uh

1836
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:13,679
there are positive aspects you know i

1837
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:15,679
mean it's what you talk to

1838
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:17,520
interpret because they're using language

1839
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:19,199
again and responding to questions that

1840
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:21,520
are you know again qualitative in nature

1841
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:23,520
it's not one on one is two but we're

1842
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:26,080
trying our best to make sense out of the

1843
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,679
that information

1844
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:29,520
uh generally yes

1845
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:30,640
positive

1846
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,280
generally yes how could it not however

1847
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:35,760
uh impact you when you have that kind of

1848
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,080
experience let's face it it's it's

1849
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:41,040
non-3d it's what they describe into into

1850
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,440
a matrix and they interact with beings

1851
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:45,600
etc not all

1852
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:48,159
and then we get at the positivity factor

1853
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:49,679
in a very unique

1854
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:50,480
way

1855
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:56,080
again the vast majority overall

1856
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,440
say the whole shebang was positive

1857
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,440
those that had the physical

1858
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,600
i saw them and come in my room they took

1859
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:05,679
me by the hand i i you know

1860
01:11:10,830 --> 01:11:08,800
dematerialized somehow i felt weird when

1861
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:10,840
it happened and i float up and they do

1862
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:13,120
xyz and then they return me with my

1863
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:14,800
pajamas backwards you notice you know

1864
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:15,840
the story

1865
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:18,320
again small percent physical small

1866
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:21,360
percent value got 3200 but again when i

1867
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:22,960
say small percent that's still a lot of

1868
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:24,480
people obviously

1869
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:28,159
they they regard that much less positive

1870
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:29,600
than those that have the negative

1871
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:30,880
experience

1872
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:33,280
and that makes sense they see reptilians

1873
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:35,040
they you know more commonly seen as

1874
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:37,120
small grays of course we look at that

1875
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:37,920
too

1876
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:39,840
types of beings and you you've read the

1877
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:42,880
article mainly small and uh energy

1878
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:45,440
beings are very high energy beings

1879
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,480
interesting

1880
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:48,159
um the whole the whole the whole

1881
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:49,199
spectrum

1882
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:51,520
uh how could it not be

1883
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:55,199
intensely fearful so you get a lot of

1884
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:56,159
that

1885
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:01,040
hard to understand uh you know

1886
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:02,800
hyperdimensional

1887
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,679
unconditional love it carries over to

1888
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:08,000
qualitative reports from nders and ob

1889
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:10,719
ears again losing some aspect of brain

1890
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,320
function you're not impeded by the

1891
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,640
physical body you're going beyond that

1892
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,560
now they're going you're going on a uap

1893
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,000
little trip with the non-human

1894
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,159
intelligence whereas my neighborhood has

1895
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:22,320
the same sort of similar thing with the

1896
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:25,520
near deck's death experience x and and

1897
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:27,440
mr jones over here you know what you

1898
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:29,920
mean the obe the psychedelic

1899
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:31,199
psychedelics

1900
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:35,120
um look even for a film um we were

1901
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,400
invited to an ayahuasca retreat in peru

1902
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,480
by akana tanner he's a well-known

1903
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:42,239
individual very bright

1904
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,360
uh well very experienced with ayahuasca

1905
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:47,520
and you know i i'm tempted but so

1906
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:50,320
tempted and his comment to me is i don't

1907
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:51,440
want to do it

1908
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:53,120
you know i've done i messed around in

1909
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,719
the 60s with the grateful dead in

1910
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,480
central park if you know what i'm saying

1911
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:58,320
and uh

1912
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:01,199
but not not now uh but he says once once

1913
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:03,199
you come here you people can't have

1914
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,880
natsu

1915
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:06,640
can't help nazi you know he's in he's

1916
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:08,800
probably right amazon jungle you know

1917
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:10,480
who the heck knows the other thing i've

1918
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:12,239
heard and i'm sure you've heard this too

1919
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:13,040
but

1920
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,560
if you go

1921
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:16,320
you're part of the process kind of with

1922
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:18,320
your shared death experience you know

1923
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,000
people go and they don't drink the drink

1924
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:21,920
and they still have the experience

1925
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:24,960
because you know resonance yeah yeah

1926
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:25,840
yeah

1927
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:28,320
metric effect that they see in in in eeg

1928
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:30,159
labs you know that

1929
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,400
yeah yeah yeah yeah you know also i

1930
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:34,480
interviewed related to this on

1931
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:37,280
shirley black who has done

1932
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:38,239
pk

1933
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,880
uh research in labs she's done she's

1934
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:42,719
been a subject of because she can make

1935
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:45,360
the the wheel spin and do all that in

1936
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:48,239
all these labs including uva including

1937
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:51,040
orion and documented carefully

1938
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:52,719
controlled and all the rest this but

1939
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:55,520
what she reports to your point is

1940
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,600
then everyone got so excited that they

1941
01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:00,000
went out to dinner mexican restaurant

1942
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:02,080
well let's pull bring the wheel along

1943
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:05,360
and now everyone can do it once the the

1944
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,360
vibe is right and the energy is right

1945
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:09,199
yeah yeah like global consciousness

1946
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:11,040
projects yeah exactly here's the big

1947
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:13,120
question here's

1948
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:15,840
here's a random number generator right

1949
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:18,320
but you can do it individually too yes

1950
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:19,120
yes

1951
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:22,960
here's the big question that like burns

1952
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:25,120
in my head and i don't know the answer

1953
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:27,120
to it and i've kind of been pulled

1954
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:28,960
back and forth but like

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01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:29,920
so

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01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:32,719
you go and you study et like you just

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01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:35,120
said and they go to the matrix and it

1958
01:14:40,149 --> 01:14:38,800
starts lining up with the nde and then

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01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:40,159
one of the things you shared in the last

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01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:41,600
interview we did which is excellent

1961
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:43,360
please go back and listen to that please

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01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:46,719
go read unseen forces and please help

1963
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,800
bob out with this documentary we've got

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01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,719
to make sure that it happens but having

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01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:52,560
said that

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01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:54,400
you're talking about

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01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:57,840
the semantic comparison again carefully

1968
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,320
done controlled study and these things

1969
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:02,480
start matching up that is

1970
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:06,000
your experience with the dmt the words

1971
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,280
you say ineffable dissolution vehicle

1972
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,600
all this stuff and others they're boom

1973
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,440
boom boom boom boom they're matching up

1974
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,600
and a good researcher can go and say

1975
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:17,440
that and the near-death experience is

1976
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,120
matching up too

1977
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:21,360
my big question is

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01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:24,239
what can we start to say about the

1979
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:28,080
nature of the order of the structure of

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01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:29,440
consciousness

1981
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:33,440
is there god that's where we're headed

1982
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:35,360
to make it kind of a crude basic

1983
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:36,560
question

1984
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:38,960
consistently the near-death experience

1985
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:41,760
people come back and says yes there is

1986
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:44,640
this hierarchy i felt it i experienced

1987
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,280
it and most importantly

1988
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,600
what bob davis documents in peak

1989
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:51,120
experiences

1990
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:52,960
again this is kind of tangential but

1991
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:55,360
it's completely not tangential it's

1992
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:58,880
fundamental to this is bob points out

1993
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:01,280
that these experiences are

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01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,440
transformational

1995
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:05,440
in a way that we're comfortable

1996
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,120
measuring from a social science

1997
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:09,679
standpoint people come back and they're

1998
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,440
changed they live different lives and we

1999
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:16,000
don't know how to make that happen

2000
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:17,280
normally we don't know how to make that

2001
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,360
happen with drugs with therapy with

2002
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:21,360
anything else but they come back and

2003
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:24,640
they're transformed now that is so we

2004
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:26,239
have to factor that into the peak

2005
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,679
experience are they transformed because

2006
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:31,679
because god changed them

2007
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:33,040
because there's a hierarchy of

2008
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:35,040
consciousness and at that hierarchy of

2009
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:37,840
consciousness level they can go boom you

2010
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,640
should

2011
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:40,800
here's the right path to be on i'm going

2012
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:42,719
to send you on that right path well you

2013
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:44,320
know yeah yeah

2014
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:49,669
i mean you know i'm going to be mentally

2015
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:51,120
tired after this interview you

2016
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:53,199
understand

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01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:54,239
i love it

2018
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:56,159
this is very cool and that's why i look

2019
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:58,000
forward to talking to you

2020
01:17:01,590 --> 01:17:00,159
like that question you know i

2021
01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:01,600
never got anything like that it's

2022
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:02,480
beautiful

2023
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:04,239
yeah people who have these experience do

2024
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:06,719
report interacting with supreme beings

2025
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:08,880
um you know oftentimes it's based on

2026
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,280
one's experience but uh there's also

2027
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:13,040
people who are trying to research in the

2028
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:14,640
brain the god spot

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01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:16,560
you know you you repeatedly say the word

2030
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:18,800
god god god uh among other things

2031
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:20,000
related to

2032
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:22,159
religiosity and you see a little piece

2033
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:24,400
over here light up a lot you know with

2034
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:27,679
the fmri so people getting into that is

2035
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:30,560
is that does that component the physical

2036
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:32,640
component of is there a god spot to

2037
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:34,880
begin with that we don't know but people

2038
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:36,800
report yeah i've interacted with the

2039
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:39,840
deity of some type is that tren boy

2040
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:42,400
maybe both do i would say if there is a

2041
01:17:47,189 --> 01:17:45,040
higher power not your time yet go back

2042
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:47,199
or unconditional love when i saw that

2043
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:50,159
person um it was it was

2044
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:51,840
the one

2045
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:52,719
um

2046
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:54,000
i know

2047
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:55,840
realer than real we hear these things

2048
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:58,480
all the time

2049
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,880
science can't do anything with it but

2050
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:03,360
not designed to we can't look to science

2051
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:05,679
we have to look to ourselves

2052
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:07,840
and and share it with others and try to

2053
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:10,960
educate people but some people just if

2054
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:13,679
maybe for physiologic reasons epigenetic

2055
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:15,520
inheritance you know we inherit maybe a

2056
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:18,640
spirituality that search for truth um

2057
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:20,960
and we do i believe carry a lot of the

2058
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:23,280
past they ask the same questions as we

2059
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,159
do

2060
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:26,000
you know in different ways it would same

2061
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:27,199
suit

2062
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:29,600
you know same different tech

2063
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:31,120
you know different questions different

2064
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:35,040
toys same darn thing same phenomenon

2065
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:36,880
you know it's in the bible folklore

2066
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:39,040
manifested in different ways and you

2067
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:41,280
could turn my book into a folklore book

2068
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,560
written in 600 whatever it's 627 you

2069
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:46,480
know the bible's uh it's filled with

2070
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,040
more paranormal than you can find

2071
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,360
anywhere and quantum physics is the

2072
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:53,120
science of the paranormal if you want to

2073
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,199
you know according to many scientists so

2074
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:57,360
we talk about quantum physics it's not

2075
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:59,679
routinely adopted accepted but some

2076
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:01,199
principles are

2077
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:03,679
of course um

2078
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:04,800
but again

2079
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:07,199
they're mathematically derived and and

2080
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:08,880
that doesn't mean that's physical

2081
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:11,840
reality you see that's physical reality

2082
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:14,239
let me emphasize that point again there

2083
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:17,440
is subjective reality and we're slaves

2084
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:19,760
to that with the brain our we slaves to

2085
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:22,480
our sensory systems and everything else

2086
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:24,080
that makes us tick

2087
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:27,040
so that there's two realities in my mind

2088
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:28,960
there's a subatomic reality there's an

2089
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:31,760
esp all of that stuff interpersonal

2090
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:34,640
information exchange that's reality you

2091
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:37,040
can get it at the level of consciousness

2092
01:19:40,870 --> 01:19:39,040
when you're meditating and or you have

2093
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:40,880
an nde and you see god and you're

2094
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:42,960
transformed how can you not be

2095
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:45,120
um uh or

2096
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:47,199
meditation with the body you're slaves

2097
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:48,880
to the body so let's let's see what i

2098
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,520
can do while i'm in this uh body

2099
01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:53,280
compartment whatever you want to call it

2100
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,360
and expand my consciousness using maybe

2101
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:57,760
a biofeedback machine in my mind mirror

2102
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:00,159
hemi since i'll go to monroe i know a

2103
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:02,960
lot of people that went to monroe why

2104
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:04,880
that's the question oh we achieve

2105
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:07,760
expanded awareness i can't i i looked at

2106
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:10,239
all these places expanded awareness

2107
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:12,880
relaxation moderate health

2108
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:13,760
um

2109
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:15,840
i don't announce it i support it

2110
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:19,040
wholeheartedly it's beautiful beautiful

2111
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:20,639
um

2112
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:23,120
the question is few and far between in

2113
01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:25,199
terms of people who adopt those

2114
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:27,920
practices read about it about what

2115
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:29,920
you're doing what you see i'm trying to

2116
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:31,679
do the same darn thing

2117
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:33,679
you you do a beautiful job behind the

2118
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,760
microphone how long do you do it for 15

2119
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:38,159
years you educate you know you have a

2120
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:39,760
lot of followers i don't know people are

2121
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:41,760
aware of that you do and i've listened

2122
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:43,440
to you and i'll say yeah for many years

2123
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:45,440
and you have many educated guests and

2124
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:48,400
you challenge in a way that that's

2125
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,920
very unique

2126
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:51,840
i can't explain it other than it makes

2127
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:54,480
me think as i said very deeply into

2128
01:20:58,470 --> 01:20:57,040
myself and that's very healthy for me

2129
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:58,480
it's almost like if i'm going to a

2130
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:00,800
psychologist i'll be honest with you but

2131
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,040
you're trying to get at the subjective

2132
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:05,280
the essence you see that's what you're

2133
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:07,360
doing and i applaud you for that most of

2134
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:09,280
the time i go on shows so bob what was

2135
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:10,480
your what was your shared death

2136
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:12,480
experience like

2137
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,360
you know

2138
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:15,360
are you doing a film tell us about it

2139
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:17,520
you know what i mean one one sentence

2140
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:18,880
nothing wrong with that nothing wrong

2141
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:21,600
with that but you make you go down deep

2142
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:22,639
very cool

2143
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:23,280
so

2144
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:29,120
tell you what let's return to

2145
01:21:32,629 --> 01:21:30,480
the film

2146
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,639
the consciousness connection at the end

2147
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:35,120
of the day the film is out

2148
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:37,280
pbs would be great

2149
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:39,920
i don't know about that audience but pbs

2150
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,199
would be great

2151
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:43,760
no i just mean that i don't know i agree

2152
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:46,800
i agree you got to tweak it

2153
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:48,239
what what is

2154
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:50,000
what is the shift

2155
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,120
what do you want people to come out

2156
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,120
what's the shift that you want to happen

2157
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:57,840
what are people ready for is another way

2158
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:01,040
of putting it what are people ready for

2159
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:02,880
that this

2160
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:04,800
film can bring and i'm going to go one

2161
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:06,159
step further i go on with these

2162
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:08,480
questions too far sometimes but i want

2163
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:10,719
to point out to people

2164
01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:12,960
what i was saying at the beginning

2165
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:13,920
of

2166
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:17,440
how unique it is to talk to someone

2167
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:19,840
who can process this information at this

2168
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:22,080
level i mean just take what he was just

2169
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:26,080
saying about et contact experience i

2170
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:28,639
mean that is so far out there for most

2171
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,360
people and for bob it's just another

2172
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:34,320
fill in a slot of 100 slots that he's

2173
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:36,320
filling in so this

2174
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,880
what are people ready for

2175
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,400
with the consciousness connection the

2176
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:42,320
gap that you might be able to fill now

2177
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:43,520
wake up

2178
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:48,320
that millions of people are having

2179
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,400
experiences that are unexplained

2180
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,480
but are very important in terms of our

2181
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,960
understanding of who and what we are not

2182
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:56,880
that we have the answers but i think

2183
01:23:02,950 --> 01:22:59,679
this this this can make the court come

2184
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:02,960
out of the bottle like many experiences

2185
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:03,840
have

2186
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,320
uh that transformational process indeed

2187
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:08,320
but there's science behind it as you

2188
01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:10,000
show the mystery of consciousness we'll

2189
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:13,040
talk about it uh in varying ways but it

2190
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:16,400
the ultimate thing is

2191
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,120
what can we do with it to improve

2192
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:21,280
people at the personal and societal

2193
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:23,199
level and that's the issue that you keep

2194
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:26,000
driving at uh which makes perfect sense

2195
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:28,320
but in order to do that we have to try

2196
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:31,600
to understand better the research that

2197
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:33,360
people are doing now the results that

2198
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:35,760
they are coming up with uh what people

2199
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:38,159
are reporting on a subjective level

2200
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,280
after their nde or obe etc

2201
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:43,440
and try to integrate make sense as best

2202
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:46,239
we can with uniform principles that are

2203
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,880
adopted by by science today it's not

2204
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:51,040
easy to do and how do you capture that

2205
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:52,560
in the documentary of one hour

2206
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:55,679
documentary and we have the pieces we

2207
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:56,560
have

2208
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:57,920
please you know people can go to the

2209
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:59,920
website we have the pieces

2210
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,040
the the people who want to be

2211
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:03,199
interviewed a part of this and they can

2212
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:05,520
fund the film of course and i hate to

2213
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:07,360
say that i'm not begging by any means

2214
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:09,280
but if you have if you're if you have

2215
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:10,960
six months and you don't know what to do

2216
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:14,159
with a few a few dollars and you like

2217
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:17,120
the message you know hey

2218
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:18,880
20 bucks would be nice you know it's a

2219
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:21,440
nice gesture whatever whatever even one

2220
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:24,159
dollar the point is it's more the

2221
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:26,639
commitment and support

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01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,520
and we have too few uh to do that i

2223
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:31,360
don't think people are ready

2224
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:34,880
in mass numbers for this uh it may be we

2225
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,199
have um if we're hardwired differently

2226
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:39,600
some people can't accept it right and we

2227
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:40,639
know that

2228
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,560
they'll never believe in uaps unless

2229
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:44,560
they walk onto the ship

2230
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:47,360
or same thing with other phenomena

2231
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:49,520
people are experiencing

2232
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:52,239
that is transformational indeed that is

2233
01:24:54,629 --> 01:24:53,360
ego

2234
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:54,639
disillusion

2235
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:57,280
it evokes that kind of process where

2236
01:25:02,310 --> 01:24:58,480
again they're not the center of the

2237
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:02,320
universe anymore um they revolve more

2238
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:04,159
around the world more caring and

2239
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,639
empathetic we know the outcomes and when

2240
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:08,719
we say a transpersonal experience to be

2241
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:10,800
a little bit more specific i say in a

2242
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:12,800
nutshell they they become a little bit

2243
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:14,400
more humane

2244
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:16,239
and they're on a spiritual quest the

2245
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:17,679
cork is out of the bottle they want

2246
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:20,320
answers with fierce determination and i

2247
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:22,000
think there's millions of them out there

2248
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,840
and i'm one of them don't you see but i

2249
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:25,600
have the science background that i'm

2250
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:27,840
trying to do a little bit with that

2251
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,679
write an article give a little lecture

2252
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:31,520
and there's others out there but don't

2253
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:33,199
you see i asked the same question that

2254
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:35,040
you're asking me alex

2255
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:36,719
why me

2256
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:37,679
well

2257
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:40,800
i say that all the time i i i i it is an

2258
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:43,280
internal story and then and then i say

2259
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:45,679
to myself i go back i had a shared death

2260
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:47,199
experience i had a current learning

2261
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:50,080
experience i you know my friend my

2262
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,080
friend in the lab who i worked with with

2263
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:54,639
for years we had a very very strong

2264
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:55,760
relationship

2265
01:26:03,189 --> 01:25:57,120
you know

2266
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:03,199
i'm saying uh the perfect

2267
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:05,760
she told me in my in my lucid dream that

2268
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,400
she died i felt i felt the suffocating

2269
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,480
and i knew

2270
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,800
again how do you define that i knew she

2271
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:14,880
died that you know what i'm going to say

2272
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,440
that morning i found out she died

2273
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:19,199
then the kundalini you know my body's

2274
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,040
doing one thing my mind is doing another

2275
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,040
sense of duality

2276
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:25,280
i can't explain it there is a sense of

2277
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:26,480
knowingness

2278
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,040
you see not oneness i had a little of

2279
01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:31,199
that interconnectedness people get added

2280
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:33,760
with the holographic universe model the

2281
01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:35,520
other theories

2282
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:38,159
other descriptions by peak experiences

2283
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:40,000
through their interactions with the why

2284
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,679
am i talking about i know non-human

2285
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,520
entities i get it man

2286
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:46,320
i get it because there's so many of them

2287
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:48,320
don't you see and they're very same

2288
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,960
individuals and i expect i got a taste

2289
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:53,120
of it don't you so so bob you know what

2290
01:26:57,510 --> 01:26:55,199
that may be enough to do something about

2291
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:57,520
so now i had the documentary

2292
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:58,480
we mentioned

2293
01:27:01,590 --> 01:26:59,840
from the green prime entertainment and

2294
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:01,600
he's demi award winner this is going to

2295
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:03,520
be this is going to be very a hit and

2296
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:05,040
dreamtime entertainment

2297
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:07,520
they do documentaries on pbs all the

2298
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:08,880
shows travel

2299
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:11,199
people you know their their first class

2300
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:12,560
i want to play the trailer in just a

2301
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:14,239
minute but i want to

2302
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,000
put an exclamation point on what you

2303
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:18,400
just said because i asked it to you last

2304
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:19,280
time

2305
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:22,400
and anyone who's been around this field

2306
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,159
it it's gnawing at the back your head

2307
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:26,400
with you realize it or not

2308
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:27,760
what are the odds

2309
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:28,560
that

2310
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:31,600
bob davis would be dr bob davis would do

2311
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:33,840
all these incredible things from an

2312
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,000
academic standpoint

2313
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:38,639
then would have a rather profound and

2314
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:40,239
unique

2315
01:27:44,830 --> 01:27:42,800
uap ufo experience

2316
01:27:47,669 --> 01:27:44,840
then would have a shared death

2317
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:47,679
experience then would have a kundalini

2318
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:49,199
experience we're talking about

2319
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:50,960
statistics a minute ago

2320
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:53,440
you go put any kind of statistic you

2321
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:56,159
want to find on each one of those four

2322
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,520
events

2323
01:28:02,229 --> 01:27:59,520
multiply them together

2324
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:02,239
and send me an email tell me what you

2325
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:05,360
get in terms of a one out of whatever

2326
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:07,760
chance here let's play this clip from

2327
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:10,239
the upcoming movie the consciousness

2328
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:13,280
connection here's the trailer

2329
01:28:20,430 --> 01:28:16,639
once you experience it you can't go back

2330
01:28:22,990 --> 01:28:20,440
you suddenly you know that reality is

2331
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,000
unbelievably bizarre and the

2332
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:26,000
dimensionality of consciousness is going

2333
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:29,760
to move us into advancing who we are as

2334
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:32,400
humans but we await the paradigm shift

2335
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:34,480
which is critical in terms of our

2336
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:36,080
understanding the science of this

2337
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:37,520
objective integrating it with the

2338
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:39,679
science of the physical in order to

2339
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:41,280
better understand

2340
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:43,199
consciousness reality

2341
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:45,440
and maybe a little bit more about what

2342
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:56,950
our guest again has been dr bob davis

2343
01:29:01,750 --> 01:28:59,040
it's been fantastic having him on i

2344
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:01,760
certainly hope you check out his books

2345
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,159
in addition to the film uh you'll find

2346
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:06,480
them all on the website we'll have links

2347
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:07,360
to them

2348
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,040
bob it's been great having you on

2349
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:12,960
what what can i say come back soon we're

2350
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:14,560
definitely gonna have to do it an annual

2351
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:17,600
thing like we said any time

2352
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:19,199
you're the best out there and and

2353
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:21,199
talking with you it's wonderful so

2354
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:22,800
please uh

2355
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,960
keep me in mind and when the documentary

2356
01:29:29,350 --> 01:29:26,639
is done it will be done not sure what

2357
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:29,360
year or decade

2358
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:30,800
but you know that's why we need some

2359
01:29:34,550 --> 01:29:32,560
support from people like you hate to

2360
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:34,560
keep emphasizing that to make it real

2361
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:36,320
and that's true with all films and books

2362
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:38,400
and everything else but anyway um thank

2363
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:41,679
you so much for all you do um and to

2364
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:43,600
enlighten people and help help in the

2365
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:45,920
process of of seeking truth and and

2366
01:29:49,110 --> 01:29:48,080
that's the bottom line you do

2367
01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:49,120
really

2368
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:51,199
it's critical you know that's the

2369
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:53,440
paradigm shift right there why are you

2370
01:29:58,950 --> 01:29:55,600
doing what you're doing you see that's

2371
01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:58,960
beautiful uh and i i question it myself

2372
01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:00,880
and and i share that with you thank you

2373
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,320
so much

2374
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:04,560
thanks again to dr bob davis for joining

2375
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:06,560
me today on skeptico

2376
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:08,719
one question i could tee up about 50

2377
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:10,400
questions from this one but the one that

2378
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:12,239
intrigues me is

2379
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:13,920
what about the gap

2380
01:30:21,030 --> 01:30:19,120
does that concern you

2381
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:21,040
let me know your thoughts i i know

2382
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:23,920
there's probably a pretty small audience

2383
01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:24,719
for

2384
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:28,480
this kind of stuff at this level but

2385
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:31,040
i don't care to me it seems like the

2386
01:30:35,669 --> 01:30:33,760
most interesting important stuff

2387
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:35,679
to talk about

2388
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:38,560
so if you are tuned in to what we're

2389
01:30:43,189 --> 01:30:40,960
talking about please jump in the

2390
01:30:45,270 --> 01:30:43,199
conversation because realize

2391
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:45,280
there's not that many of us who are

2392
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:48,639
really working on it at this level then

2393
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:50,159
we need to

2394
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:52,320
kind of wave hide each other and

2395
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:54,480
chat about what we know and what we're

2396
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:56,080
trying to figure out so

2397
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:58,159
join me come over to the skeptical forum

2398
01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:00,960
or track me down otherwise

2399
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:02,719
that'll do it for this one

2400
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:05,360
until next time take care bye for now